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#126 Sun 3/1/09 7:55 am

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2009/ … ny-mcbride

The good news about Joss Whedon's rabid online fan base is that their enthusiastic support for his Dr Terrible's Sing-Along Blog established a market for web-based entertainment that will, one day, see the broadcast networks crumble into dust. The bad news about Whedon's internet following is that they were making funeral arrangements for his new show Dollhouse while he was still writing it. Dollhouse was going to be on Fox, the very same network that defiled his previous Firefly by scrapping his pilot episode, making him cobble together a dumbed-down first show, relegating the series to the Friday night graveyard slot, screening episodes out of order, underpromoting the show and finally, giving it the axe. The Whedonites' worst-case-scenario then got increasingly worse: Fox scrapped the Dollhouse pilot, instructing its creator to cobble together something more coherent, then they relegated the series to the Friday night graveyard slot. When the show debuted to anaemic ratings, the outpouring of online woe and anti-network venting was inescapable. There's no question that Fox treated Firefly like a red-headed stepchild and that the ire of the fans was justified. Dollhouse is a different story. Whedon's asking us to buy that there are members of society so desperate and without hope that they voluntarily sign up to a Secret Organisation where all traces of their memories and personalities are wiped. Henceforth, they become empty vessels woken from dreamless slumbers when the Secret Organisation imprints them with brand-new personalities. These blank slates - known inhouse as "Actives" - then assume new identities. Assassins, safe-crackers, gangsters, girlfriends: you name it. But why does the SO go to such lengths? So they can make a buck by satisfying the jaded palates of the obscenely rich. Here's where we, as viewers, utter a collective "Wait a minute..."

Whedon's rejigged pilot starts with rookie active Echo (Eliza Dushku) assuming the identity of a rich birthday boy's hot date. Wait a minute... So the SO, with its open-plan unisex showers and secret Frankensteinian enclaves, is basically an escort agency? Later, Echo is given the skills and memories of a hostage negotiator so she can retrieve the abducted child. Once again, wait a minute... I suspect Whedon and his crack staff are aware that Dollhouse is a premise that seems more flawed the closer it is examined. The writers set a series of plot strands in motion: will Echo's former personality reassert itself? Will the cop on the trail of the mythical Dollhouse prove its existence, to up the suspense and steer the show away from being a showcase for Eliza Dushku's array of accents? But, as appealing as the prospect is of a weekly appointment watching Dushku discard costumes and enjoy showers, she's the star of a paranoid, science-fiction Secret Diary Of A Call Girl.


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#127 Sun 3/1/09 10:26 am

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

I haven't seen the most recent episode yet (will later today) but I am already totally into it. I feel like the plot is really promising!


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#128 Sun 3/1/09 12:21 pm

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

mixmaster_mo wrote:

I loved this episode!  That last part was genius!  My sister was telling me that Eliza Dushku was saying Whedon gains full control of the show around episode 6...and the rest of the season from that point on is just amazing.  I'm already loving it so I can't wait until it truly becomes Joss' voice.

God, I hope that's true, because I feel like it's just so awful right now. I hope doesn't get cancelled before it gets good. Must remember: BTVS started out slow, too. Patience.

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#129 Sun 3/1/09 8:04 pm

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

i really didn't like this episode, but i haven't given up. i'll give it at least til the fabled episode 6 if fox doesn't pull the plug!

i feel like that girl's fall at the end would have dislocated/broken her arms!

and yeah, psycho dude got through the screening process but they were talking in that episode about how thoroughly he faked them out. it's a lot easier to test for herpes than it is for psychosis, really!

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#130 Mon 3/2/09 6:26 pm

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

Here's the interview with Eliza: http://www.avclub.com/articles/eliza-dushku,24418/1/

I just hope the show makes it to episode 6! I have decided that I'm no longer allowing myself to check the ratings/ read the critics, because they make me too upset!

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#131 Tue 3/3/09 8:36 pm

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

The third episode was appallingly bad!  The only part I liked was the WWF move Echo threw on the Beyonce wannabe.

The worst so far after they made up ground with number 2.  I would put it on my worst TV episode list of all time if I had one.


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#132 Wed 3/4/09 8:31 am

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

Mr. Roland wrote:

The third episode was appallingly bad!.

It was awful wasn't it.  I was cringing at the singing audition.


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#133 Thu 3/5/09 10:59 pm

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Yes. The singing audition and the songs that were way too long in the performances.  It felt like there was not enough plot and they just decided to pad it with some musical numbers.


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#134 Thu 3/5/09 11:01 pm

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

I thought the third episode was the best so far.


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#135 Fri 3/6/09 9:46 pm

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

I do not like this one. I think it is a huge miscalculation to give us so much Topher and wiped Echo, because they are the least compelling characters. The show is more interesting when it focuses on Boyd and Dr. Saunders. Also, I kinda want the actress playing Sierra to be the lead.

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#136 Fri 3/6/09 10:19 pm

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

i liked this one. sierra bugs me somehow.


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#137 Fri 3/6/09 10:27 pm

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

appifanie wrote:

i liked this one. sierra bugs me somehow.

I think I am so annoyed by Topher, it is impossible for any other character to bug me. I wanted to yell at him to stop shrugging and spreading out his arms. Actors *can* communicate with their voices, don't cha know. And he made the same gesture/expression with every line! It was driving me absolutely up the wall!

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#138 Fri 3/6/09 11:05 pm

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

I thought this episode was okay, but I agree that Topher is really annoying.


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#139 Sat 3/7/09 7:28 am

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

interesting. i totally didn't notice that. i think i was distracted because he reminds me of someone - maybe zack millegan from bones?


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#140 Sat 3/7/09 8:38 am

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

I kinda like him. But maybe that is just because he reminds me of people I know. I mean, yeah actors don't need to communicate with their arms etc, but every day people often do. I guess maybe if I was critiquing his acting or examining him as a actor, it would bug me to. But he is supposed to be a person, everyday kinda guy.

I know a lot of people who gesture when speaking, more than they should, usually not even to convey their original point... they just do it.


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#141 Sat 3/7/09 9:20 am

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

This show tests my suspension of disbelief more than a boom mike in shot does.  More than BSG even.

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#142 Sat 3/7/09 10:31 am

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

They need less of the mission-of-the-week and more about Alpha's crazy asparagus.


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#143 Sat 3/7/09 12:50 pm

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

appifanie wrote:

i liked this one. sierra bugs me somehow.

Same here.

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#144 Sat 3/7/09 1:18 pm

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i wasn't nuts about this one, but i am still holding out for that mythical episode 6 that is really going to kick this thing into gear....here's hoping!

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#145 Sat 3/7/09 2:05 pm

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

I love Topher...because I feel he is so far the only glimmer of Whedon wit hope.  I also like Sierra.  Truthfully, I would love more Amy Acker.


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#146 Sat 3/7/09 2:12 pm

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

mrsbadmouth wrote:

They need less of the mission-of-the-week and more about Alpha's crazy asparagus.

True. He's the one I'm really interested in.

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#147 Sat 3/7/09 4:47 pm

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

Just caught up on the last two.

The singer one was so so so dull. I actually wished the mission failed, that pop star was so annoying.

I actually enjoyed the art theft one. It made me laugh, at least. Though, I don't like Sierra. At all. But it was interesting to see them imprint the same personality into two different girls. Seemed wrong, but of course, that was the point.

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#148 Sat 3/7/09 4:58 pm

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

Honestly, after the backup singer bodyguard episode, I don't see this show lasting. Whedon should stick to his usual lighthearted wit and sentimentality, not this attempt to be dark and edgy. It doesn't work.


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#149 Sat 3/7/09 5:06 pm

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

I wish I could have seen the original noir pilot.  I am thinking that would have been rad.


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#150 Sat 3/7/09 5:32 pm

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

This week the numbers fell to 3.5 million, but Terminators fell even worse.

GOD DAMMIT FOX QUIT TRYING TO TAKE THE HOT CHICKS OFF OF MY T.V.


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