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Let's mix up the grammar and the vegan/omni threads!
What do you guys think of alternative spellings for food? Do you drink mylk or milk? Do you eat chicken or chykyn? Wings or wingz? Cheese or cheez? Soy milk or soy "milk"?
I always use the traditional spelling for foods, my reasoning being that vegan food is normal food, no need to segregate it. I have no problem eating chicken (something protein-y that tastes a certain way and has a certain texture), I have problems eating actual chickens that were once living! Does that make sense? Our frozen desserts are ice cream, too. If it was all about ingredients, I don't see why a non-vegan ice cream or mayonnaise with lots of fillers and artificial ingredients and very little of the "traditional" ingredients (how many ice creams or mayonnaises actually contain egg yolks, for example? alternately, how many of them, like their vegan counterparts, contain things like soybean oil?) can have traditional names, while we can't.
I'm not being humorless, I think some vegan names are really witty and cute (dulce sin leche, veganaise, etc.) but in general, I don't have a good reaction to alternative spellings and I don't think the population at large does, either. I alternate between being bemused and turned off. I guess this choice also goes along with the decision to spell women without a 'y' and girls with one 'r' and no 'z'.
Let the controversy and bashing ensue!
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bazu wrote:
chykyn?
I am using this from now on. Even when I am referring to the actual animal.
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I'll use food words like milk & cheese, but not if the person is going to go, "but...but...that's not...". The veganism is implied, dude. I like to put "z"s in words for fun sometimez.
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I find that cheez helps with vegan/vegetarian confusion (or un-cheese sometimes if I need to emphasize it), and chik'n is okay, but I find "mylk" annoying. It just looks weird. I've never seen "chykyn" before, but I have the same reaction to it. Maybe it's because I'm pretty phonetic, and seeing a different letter there, my brain pronounces it different... I trip over it, and it doesn't sound appetizing in my head.
I am a ho, it doesn't make it any vegan-er just because you spell it different.
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My mom calls my vegan hot dogs 'soysages'. I think it's kinda cute. I don't call most things by alt-names, though. I might append a 'meatless' or a 'vegan' or a 'vegetarian' to the front, but if someone asks what I'm eating, I'll say 'a hot dog' or 'a burger' or 'a milkshake', not a 'soysage' or a 'tofuburger' or 'a soy-milk-shake'.
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Depends on what it is. I call chicken chik'n. I really wish I hadn't called my wings wingz. I tried looking through La Dolce Vegan for recipes but had to stop because seeing "milk" made me want to kill myself.
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I live in a country which uses nyu for milk . . . . but they got bored with that so it's now mostly refered to as miruku. Original for them, maybe. Same old same old for the rest of us.
Though I like they way they pronounce it . . .miruku
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Vulgar Wheat wrote:
My mom calls my vegan hot dogs 'soysages'. I think it's kinda cute. I don't call most things by alt-names, though. I might append a 'meatless' or a 'vegan' or a 'vegetarian' to the front, but if someone asks what I'm eating, I'll say 'a hot dog' or 'a burger' or 'a milkshake', not a 'soysage' or a 'tofuburger' or 'a soy-milk-shake'.
Me too- in public forums, like my blog or flickr, I'll refer to it as "mac & cheese (vegan)" or "vegetarian pulled pork" - I think that gets the point across and even might make some people stop and think. I also like cute little names like "soysage" or "chreese" , but generally use them privately, not in public or published forums.
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I tend to agree with you, bazu. I don't usually bother with cutesy spellings. My ice cream is as icy and as creamy as anyone's nasty cow cream, thanksverymuch. I like the idea that it's showing omni's that vegans can eat pretty much everything they do, just with different ingredients.
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mrsbadmouth wrote:
seeing "milk" made me want to kill myself.
Ugh - me too! I notice some bloggers use quotations every single forking time they say it- we get it, we get it, it's not cow's milk!
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i have never seen "mylk" before.
mrsbadmouth wrote:
"milk" made me want to kill myself.
yes! i hate that. i never see coconut "milk", so why soy "milk"?
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KissMeKate wrote:
My ice cream is as icy and as creamy as anyone's nasty cow cream, thanksverymuch.
exactly- the days of cream actually referring to heavy cream are long gone for most people and most brands. many ice creams on the market now are milk and/or skim milk, and some sort of thickener.
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Yeah, I just use quotes if I think someone is going to say "HOT DOGS AREN'T VEGAN". Around other vegans/vegetarians I just say hot dog and they're smart enough to understand.
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as an aside: i hate the phrase "moo juice" when talking about cows' milk. even when i drank it.
p.s. who can tell me where i should put my apostrophe in "cows milk"?
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I don't really care about reading most alt spellings and i'll use them if I am naming a specific recipe, but on my own I use traditional spellings. However, the "mylk" thing does get on my nerves for some reason.
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Nebraska wrote:
Yeah, I just use quotes if I think someone is going to say "HOT DOGS AREN'T VEGAN". Around other vegans/vegetarians I just say hot dog and they're smart enough to understand.
you could point out that meat hot dogs aren't made of dogs, either, and insist they call them hot cows. or whatever they're made of, which makes less sense.
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unsurprised wrote:
Nebraska wrote:
Yeah, I just use quotes if I think someone is going to say "HOT DOGS AREN'T VEGAN". Around other vegans/vegetarians I just say hot dog and they're smart enough to understand.
you could point out that meat hot dogs aren't made of dogs, either, and insist they call them hot cows. or whatever they're made of, which makes less sense.
Yeah, dammit. Hamburgers (or 'steamed hams' as we upstate New Yorkers call them) are not made of ham! Egg cream contains neither egg nor cream!
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unsurprised wrote:
Nebraska wrote:
Yeah, I just use quotes if I think someone is going to say "HOT DOGS AREN'T VEGAN". Around other vegans/vegetarians I just say hot dog and they're smart enough to understand.
you could point out that meat hot dogs aren't made of dogs, either, and insist they call them hot cows. or whatever they're made of, which makes less sense.
hot mechanically separated beef parts. mmmmmmmm.
That's a good point, unsurprised.
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unsurprised wrote:
Nebraska wrote:
Yeah, I just use quotes if I think someone is going to say "HOT DOGS AREN'T VEGAN". Around other vegans/vegetarians I just say hot dog and they're smart enough to understand.
you could point out that meat hot dogs aren't made of dogs, either, and insist they call them hot cows. or whatever they're made of, which makes less sense.
pig bits shoved in pig intestines.
actually, I think this is a better way to go.. nevermind how we refer to our delicious food, we should start calling omni food out for what it actually is.
for the record though, I find alterna-spellings annoying - never seen "mylk," it's about as appetizing as "malk." They tend to de-legitimize the foods in the eyes of omnis anyway. Maybe that's just my perception. Then again, I avoid fake meat because.. ehh.. feels wrong still.
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I'm more interested in the women vs womyn. Not to start some crazy debate....but because I'm actually really interested what people on here think. Especially because there are a number of feminists on this board, who probably have differing viewpoints.
As for the foodstuffs, I just use the "real" word. To me "cheese" or "milk" refers to a substance, not the thing it came from. And if it's meat stuff, I just usually say "fake chicken" etc. Because if it's a meat substitute trying to taste like chicken, that's what it is.
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see, i have to explain myself to people. my roommate thinks shes a genius and always blurts out- how are you eating that? isn't it a burger?!" or "isn't that milk?" so i usually have to dumb it down a few notches, even though i hate the cutesy spellings and i feel like saying "soy" or "vegan" in front of everything shouldn't be necessary. apparently for some people it is.
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I'm pretty okay with calling vegan things by the same names as their non-vegan counterparts. There is a store-bought vegan buttercream frosting that contains neither butter not cream, but is advertised as buttercream frosting nevertheless. It isn't advertised as vegan, but if you check the ingredients, it's all just sugar and oil and preservatives. If that shiitake can be called "buttercream frosting", then I have absolutely no objections to referring to my soy ice cream as ice cream. The end.
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I feel like a tool if someone asks what I'm eating and I add the "vegan" or "meatless" in front of whatever it is. It's not really that tool-like and sometimes is easier than another explanation, but I can't make myself do it.
I eat hot dogs and drink milk. They're just my versions and, therefore, better
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conversation with brother once when he was staying at my house, at breakfast time:
brother: do you have any milk?
bazu: not cow's milk.
brother: so you don't have milk
bazu: I have milk, just not cow's milk
brother: so, no milk?
bazu: yes milk.
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